Curse

ArgentLupe · Jun 02, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by pHobac

Jedi have ... the ability to see the future. I think he could get outta dodge before the nuke went off.

If that were true, you think they would have seen how bad the most recent movies were?

EnDinG · Jun 02, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

I think they all would get their rear kicked once Ash shows up...

Harlas Kije · Jun 02, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by EnDinG

I think they all would get their rear kicked once Ash shows up...

Hell ya--the man with the boom stick > than all

ManadartheHealer · Jun 02, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Jedi swords cannot "block" explosive shells. They could make the shell stop, but it would still blow up on contact, thus killing the Jedi...

Principa Discordia · Jun 02, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Jedi swords cannot "block" explosive shells. They could make the shell stop, but it would still blow up on contact, thus killing the Jedi...

Precognition > Explosives.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 02, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Precognition > Explosives.

Not if it's like a "cage match", and little pansy jedi cannot run away.

Also, would the Predator's cloaking-thing work against the Jedi? I don't really think so...

Harlas Kije · Jun 02, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Also, would the Predator's cloaking-thing work against the Jedi? I don't really think so...

I would think not--it just like bends light or something--it does not shield or block his "aura" or presence from someone who can see without using their eyes. (remember Luke using the blastershield to block himself from using his eyes to see?)

ManadartheHealer · Jun 02, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Harlas Kije

I would think not--it just like bends light or something--it does not shield or block his "aura" or presence from someone who can see without using their eyes. (remember Luke using the blastershield to block himself from using his eyes to see?)

Ah, there we go. Good to know (if I ever have to fight a Jedi

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But Predators do have those sweet masks, and that could help...

Principa Discordia · Jun 03, 2005, 02:36 AM // 02:36

I still think that the only way the Jedi loses this fight is if Predator's shoulder cannon can't be blocked by a lightsabre.

The Jedi would definitely be able to sense the Predator through his stealth field because it only bends light, and nobody has proven that the Predator is in any way immune to mind tricks (which the Jedi could use to make himself invisible to the Predator, or at least distract him).

Someone mentioned that the Jedi would use a mind trick on the Alien to make it go kill itself, but that's just silly. See my previous post about Jedi/Sith, Jedi would not do something like that to a living creature, but the Jedi would still hack it to pieces if it attacked him. Also, before anyone says anything about the Alien having acid for blood, a lightsabre cauterises a wound.

pHobac · Jun 03, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I still think that the only way the Jedi loses this fight is if Predator's shoulder cannon can't be blocked by a lightsabre.

I dont think that would be an issue. If the cannon fires a burst of energy then that energy can either be diffused or deflected by a lightsaber. And if they are "explosive shells" as manadar puts forth, then the jedi could push them back at the predator with his force powers.

Principa Discordia · Jun 03, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by pHobac

I dont think that would be an issue. If the cannon fires a burst of energy then that energy can either be diffused or deflected by a lightsaber. And if they are "explosive shells" as manadar puts forth, then the jedi could push them back at the predator with his force powers.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Bye bye alien and predator, this is a curbstomp.

Pevil Lahuta's Pet Moa · Jun 03, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

We are all forgetting predators self-destruct mechanism...which means it ends in a draw.

Principa Discordia · Jun 03, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Pevil Lahuta's Pet Moa

We are all forgetting predators self-destruct mechanism...which means it ends in a draw.

No, that means it ends in Mutually Assured Destruction™ and nobody wins. That result is a simple cop-out, and it should not be allowed.

Jedi > Predator > Alien.

It was a curb-stomp from the beginning.

eA-Zaku · Jun 03, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

The energy beam of a lightsabre can deflect and cut through any known substance in the universe except for the energy of another lightsabre. And that is the official word on it.

Yes, the lightsabre can deflect the Predator's plasma cannon, and yes, the lightsabre can bat away explosives, although the resulting explosion can go around the blade. Someone mentioned before that a Jedi can have Force powers and mental prowess great enough to push back speeding explosives.

A Jedi MAY be able to stop the Predator's suicide nuclear device, but I don't know about that. Basically, in order for the Predator to pull off a win, he needs to bring out the big guns. Like an orbital attack from the clan ship.

BTW the Alien will not bleed acidic blood (and other paraplegic lightsabre victims did not bleed) because the heat from the energy beam cauterizes the wound.

This is based on no personal bias, and gathered from OFFICIAL information, as well as my best attempt at applicable physics and what I have gathered from watching movies, reading comics, etc. pertaining to the three combatants.

Even without their unique senses, the Jedi can still see the Predator by focusing on sound, or concentrating on the Predator. The stealth device does not render the user completely invisible. Also, Jedi of certain species may have greater physical strength than a Predator.

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Predators call themselves "Yautja." I have also seen "Yaut'ja" but I'm pretty sure it's without the apostrophe.

And this is a bit off-topic regarding the fight, but Yoda and Mace Windu have been mentioned. While I can't really pick a favorite between the two, Yoda is stronger than Mace Windu. I also believe Count Dooku is stronger than Mace Windu. If I am not mistaken, the only two Jedi who could defeat Windu are Dooku and Yoda. The reason Windu is so strong is because his fighting style borders on the Dark Side.

If any of my information is incorrect, then I apologize, as it is due to my faulty memory. Taken in context, it is in character for the Predator to fight honorably, thus leaving out any options for defeating the Jedi knight. The Predator will not activate the nuclear device, as he was defeated in a fair duel. It is customary for Predators to leave the victor well alone. Many elder Predators have also accepted other species who best a Predator in battle as an honorary hunter. Because of their honor, the Predator will be fighting 1v1, with nothing ridiculous, such as shooting at the Jedi with a giant space ship.

However, if many "bad blood" Predators gather, they could possibly defeat the Jedi, but never in a 1v1 fight will a Predator defeat a Jedi. It seems the only surefire way for the Predator to win is the nuclear suicide device. An honorable Predator has no reason to activate it upon losing, and bad bloods wish to stay alive, and I have not found any documentation of a rebel Predator even carrying the device. Also, seeing as how so many limbs fly around when Jedis fight, it could be possible that the arm with which the Predator needs to input the code would be lopped off, or the Predator beheaded, thus removing any chance of setting the bomb.

Yojinj · Jun 03, 2005, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Ehm wrong about the "cuts through anything" - Mandalorian steel deflects lightsabers, one of the reasons why Mandalorian were a great danger to the jedi.
Mandalorian steel was used for armor and weapons.

Principa Discordia · Jun 03, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Actually, a lightsabre cannot only be blocked by another lightsabre: -

1.) In some of the books, mainly ones written by Tim Zhan, cortosis is a material that will switch off a lightsabre on contact with the blade. In some cases it is known to overload the lightsabre mechanism completely, destroying the lightsabre. This is 2nd tier canon (official) as part of the expanded universe.

2.) In the game Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic, cortosis is a material that can be woven into armour or weapons, and will endure a lightsabre strike to varying degrees of success. This is 2rd tier canon (game mechanics), and is backed up by the RPG.

3.) In no cases has a lightsabre ever penetrated an energy shield.

This is moot, however, as the Predator is not equipped with cortosis-weaved armour or armour made from pure cortosis.

The Predator would be able to activate his little nuke if it came to the worst for him, but that's a cop-out and I won't allow it. Mutually Assured Destruction™ does not tell us who would win.

Syno · Jun 03, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Ah, but you are forgetting the ole' Jedi Mind Trick! The Jedi has a few more options to prevent MAD...a) convince the Predator that it's not worth it and to die honorably or b) slice off his arm above the nuke device.

I am leaning towards b, but that's just the dark side telling me things again...

Ramus · Jun 03, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

As for the predators shoulder cannon, it would all depend on how strong of a Jedi he is facing. If it is a Jedi Master, then he may have a problem. The force can be manipulated to send back projectiles without causing them to go boom. Example: Jedi Academy, PC. Used force push to send back rocket-type-crap all the time.

By the way, this has got to be the BIGGEST geek thread on GWG.

Feli · Jun 03, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I go for the predator.
The Jedi might block his shoulder cannon. Yes, yes... but that is assuming they allready know each other quite well and he would have his sabre up the second they meet. Jedis are not running around with their light sabres going bzzzz all the time. Most of the time their weapons are inactive, especially when engaging an alien species.
The Predator simply would have the advantage of the hunter. He is proficient in setting up traps and surprises. Yes the Jedi might sense him, but can he sense the thoughts of an alien race the first time he sees it? By sense i am speaking of "understand".

Jedi walking around... sensing a strange whisper in his brain.
"Huh...!?", having a look around... yet unsure how to react. Activating the lightsabre would just be like "hi there... kill me please, here i am and giving you some direction on how to find me".
The next "huh!?" he makes moreover sounds like a "d'oh" as the predators disc just cuts him in two. -1 Jedi.
And about the good old Alien versus Predator Thingie.. no need to discuss on that.

Principa Discordia · Jun 03, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Jedi don't neccessarily sense thoughts that way, they sense feelings. Coupled with the fact that they can pre-concieve dangerous situations (visually, no less), it's a simple curb-stomp.